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The Return of P.K. Subban

Tuesday, January 29, 2013


I received an interesting question via Twitter on Monday (maybe because of Monday’s Dose): who has more trade value, Jonathan Toews or Joe Thornton? Rarely do such high-end draft picks get the direct comparison; usually, you’re talking about Toews + another asset or two for Thornton + another asset or two.

After crunching the numbers, well … it’s close. Let’s look at the numbers:

Last two seasons for Thornton:

21 G, 49 A for 70 points, 33 PPP, +4, 47 PIM, 149 SOG
18 G, 59 A for 77 points, 23 PPP, +17, 31 PIM. 156 SOG

Jonathan Toews last two seasons:

32 G, 44 A for 76 points, 25 PPP, +25, 26 PIM, 233 SOG
59 GP: 29 G, 28 A for 57 points, 12 PPP, +17, 28 PIM, 185 SOG

It’s pretty stunning that Toews had more shots on goal than Thornton last season despite being limited to 59 games played, and that’s the opening salvo in my pro-Toews argument. He edges Jumbo Joe quite convincingly in the peripherals. While plus/minus is dicey, it’s hard to ignore Toews’ +17 and +25 from the last two seasons. He’s more of a goal scorer, so that means he gets the more precious goals vs. assists and SOG as well.

Thornton holds edges, too, though. He’s a power-play point machine and one cannot totally ignore his workhorse health. Sure, it’s easy to say that Toews achieved a lot in 59 games last season, but owners still lost him for 23.

Ultimately, Toews wins by a nose, unless Thornton transforms to Boston Jumbo Joe and starts piling up 100 PIM seasons again.

Do note this, though: the difference is close enough that if you find yourself yelling at the computer while disagreeing with my points, you can very well stick with Thornton. I doubt you’d regret having either of them on your team at all.

Also: Thornton’s value is at an all-time high, so you should ask for a small upgrade (remember asset for other asset?) anyway.


Before we get into the general injury section, I think it’s best to acknowledge Gabriel Landeskog’s worrisome situation. I’ve heard he might just be day-to-day, but his symptoms - and that vicious Brad Stuart hit - sure carry the smell of a concussion. Stay tuned both at Rotoworld and the Daily Dose(s) regarding that troubling scenario.


Jamie Benn made his season debut against the Columbus Blue Jackets, who beat the Dallas Stars 2-1 last night. Jaromir Jagr came back and did little. Derek Roy is on the IR. Bad times for the Stars all-around … Speaking of that game, Sergei Bobrovsky’s looking like a serviceable starter 1A/1B guy for Columbus. Maybe the franchise is better off starting Steve Mason regularly to improve its draft status in the 2013 draft … The Edmonton Oilers pounded the Colorado Avalanche. The most important takeaway? Start your players when they’re going up against the Avs … Chad Johnson only needed 21 saves to record his first career shutout as the Phoenix Coyotes thrashed the Nashville Predators 4-0. I’d give Johnson a little more time to prove himself, unless you have a revolving door roster (in which case he might have one-week value). The bigger story? Zero wins for Pekka Rinne and zero points for Shea Weber so far. Woof … Kris Versteeg is expected to make his season debut tonight. Finally … Hey, Mikael Samuelsson is dinged up (day-to-day). As usual … Just in case Tomas Kaberle is injured instead of a healthy scratch, he took a puck to the face. So that might be the issue (not being ineffective) … Matt Niskanen has a lower-body issue, but isn’t expected to miss much time … Clarke MacArthur’s day-to-day with a finger injury.

James O'Brien is the Hockey Daily Dose's author and has been a contributor to NBC's Pro Hockey Talk for more than four years. Follow him on Twitter.
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